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Buddhist Hour
Script No. 368
Radio Broadcast live on Hillside 88.0 FM
for Sunday 13 February 2005CE
2547 Buddhist Era

Glossary

1. permutation: exchange, interchange; change of state, position, form.
2. transmutation: the action of changing the arrangement, esp. the linear order of a set of items; each of the possible different arrangements or orders which result.
3 reification: the mental conversion of a person or abstract concept into a thing. Depersonalisation of a person.
4. modify: make partial or minor changes to; alter without radical transformation. modifiability: (modifiable) able to be modified.
5. persist: continue firmly or obstinately in or in a state, opinion, course of action. persistence: the action or fact of persisting,
6. illuminate. a spiritually or intellectually enlightened person; a person claiming special enlightenment or knowledge.
7. permutations: change of state, position form, etc. transmutation; the action of changing the arrangement or orders which result.
8. trait: a characteristic feature of mind or character. a distinguishing quality, esp. of a person, culture or social group.
9. dissociate: cut off or free from association with something else; separate in fact or thought.


Knowing Selflessness Destroys Misknowledge
and Persistence and Constraint


We continue now with the next part in our series of transcribed Buddha Dhamma talks by John D. Hughes during a five day Bhavana course in June 1988 at the Buddhist Discussion Centre (Upwey) Ltd.

The talk is entitled “Knowing Selflessness Destroys Misknowledge” which we read in part over the last two weeks followed by part one of “Persistence and Constraint”.

The authors of today's script apologise for any errors or misunderstandings that may have occurred in the process of transcribing and editing the talks from the original audio tape recording.

If you tuned into the Buddhist Hour last week, Sunday 6 February, you may recall the talk ended in the following way:

So there is no past, no present, no future in the nirvana. It is timeless, it is stainless, it is pure and it will never come to an end. In other words the higher level of the universe is just the citta, the citta is, it doesn't, not owned by anyone. So an "I" which is unreal can never be liberated. Now to continue the Buddha way you must make merit, merit, merit. You must keep five precepts at least because otherwise you'll make unwholesome kamma. So there in the ultimate level nothing ever happened. There's no inherent reality. There's just a set of unreal fabrications by combinations and permutations.

We now continue on from last week.

So in a way you might say there has never been an existence of any sentient being past, present or future. That's absolute Dhamma. But at the relative level there are combinations and permutations of delusions and they experience suffering. For them, because they love turning the unreal into their "real", they take an unpleasant feeling, which doesn't know itself, is quite harmless, make an unreal picture of it and then say "I am unpleasant" or "I am this, I am that". It's a load of rubbish.

The goal is to finish to become Arhant. The goal is to make enough merit over enough time using those useless five groups. Gear the lot of them towards meritorious acts, gear the lot of them to stopping harm, stopping killing, stopping hatred, stopping jealousy, stopping miserliness, stopping pride, stopping intoxicants and then you will be a blessing to the world of men and women and devas and devatas.

Even in this Dhamma-ending age, there are still some beings who are teachable. So as long as there are teachable beings, now what happens in two and a half thousand years the citta opening onto this world, this human world, closes. And that's the end of Buddha Dhamma. So you just happen to be, happen to stumble, not by request, you just happen to stumble into a Buddha Dhamma in this life. But for countless lives you've all been suffering.

Now this life you must determine, "I am going to finish the Buddha way". You are going to, what will you finish it with? The five groups yet to appear. For however long they appear you gear those five groups into the good action. You stop tormenting the other beings, you stop fabricating that there is an I, a my, or a me. You stop wingeing, you stop everything, for the sake of the other beings.

You treat other beings as more precious than yourself. You help them attain, you know, if they're hungry you give them food, if they've got no where to live you give them a house. To do this you want to become rich, you want to work, work, work, get wealth because it's hard to practice charity if you're poor. So you see that is the Buddha's Teaching.

Now this personal selflessness, when it appears you see that phenomena is selfless, you start to see correctly. When one understands selflessness and abandons the intellectual self, which is that unreal self, this is not accepted as even the support of misknowledge thus, it is very strange to say that knowing selflessness will totally wipe out misknowledge, but nevertheless it does.

Some may object there is a contradiction in the fact that Nagarjuna states in the Jewel Rosary that the phenomenal self-habit, the truth habit about the aggregates is the root of the life cycle. Well it's true. The intelligent see absolutely all the faults of the afflictions as coming from the egoistic views because it is incorrect for there to be two different roots of the Samsaric life cycle. There is only one root of the Samsaric life cycle that is, the bottom root is misinformation or conventionally called ignorance.

Because of compassion you do Mahayana Illuminating Samadhi, you develop compassion for others. Then you do vast Merit Accumulating Royal Samadhi, then you do Virtue Maintaining Royal Samadhi and then you come back to this All Powerful Samadhi. This meditation is All Powerful Samadhi.

It arises by the power of all the good meditators who have been around for two and a half thousand years like Tsong Khapa. They dedicated their merits that beings who were teachable would come to see for themselves. They did that using their five groups. Using their mental constructs. The blessings shower over you. A shower of blessings come from the Sangha. So even though some of them have attained parinibbana there are these mental objects, not of infinite duration, but floating in the Samsara ocean. And when you run into those mental objects you get a blessing.

The only reason, just like a magnet will pull iron to itself someone with Refuge in Buddha Dhamma Sangha will pull the blessings automatically. Then you don't use the blessings for egoistic self gratification. You use those blessings to keep you up and bouncy and energetic enough to teach others. So you get the blessings at a certain point but you know.

And then when you make merit you go into new activities in the Samsara, say in the twentieth century, this is 1988, you in turn do like this, you say, "May the merits made by me now or at some other time be shared among all beings here however many they be. May this gift of merits help all beings know the Path, realise the Path, follow the Path".

The mind of course is extremely fast. The Enlightened Mind is extremely swift; it's faster than words. So take rest. Well done, well done, well done.

May you learn to be a blessing to the world of humans and devas.

This concludes the talk “Knowing Selflessness Destroys Misknowledge”.

We now continue with the next talk in the series.

After a rest period John D. Hughes continued to teach.

Start with the Yamantaka thing about, you know da da da, my goals will never be achieved. Put the Yamantaka, any Yamantaka thing on it. So this is going to be awesome.

Frank Carter, a student, then continued.

The Yamantaka lines that we've used here before are exactly correct for this meditation course, because the foe that Yamantaka talks about is the very same concept that is in our minds and causing all our troubles. And the Yamantaka is only interested in, he is not interested in anything that will benefit the ego. He is not interested in anything that will strengthen, strengthen that concept.

And the extent or the clarity or the firmness of Yamantaka's statement is an exact measure of how to treat this unreal "I". And the statement is:

"Trample him, trample him,
dance on the head of this treacherous concept of selfish concern,
tear out the heart of the self-centered butcher
who slaughters our chance to gain final release."

And it's a concept that he is talking about, it's not a real, it's not a true.

John D. Hughes commented.

"It would be better to say the unreal concept that stops us from gaining final release".

Frank Carter then continued.

"So the way that I use goals, and I sincerely try to apply the same idea or approach or attitude to all the Dhamma, is I try to take a view of trampling any obstacles. I really try to trample, I don't leave doors open for the things to fall over.

So the methods that we are taught by the precious Guru are so difficult to find and they are jewels because they work, they succeed, they are perfect. So it's so difficult to find something like that, I would, in my heart, I would wish to never to throw away even one. So I still have the goals on the dashboard of my car.

It's like ruthlessly trying to use the methods and the practice irrespective of how difficult or how, there are many obstacles, but the reason that I would have those goals still there, and use them every day, and it's not just the goals it's the planning techniques that Spike taught us. I can honestly say of all of the major and minor goals that I have put to paper since that meditation course I have not discarded one and there would have been six major and in the planning stages, well over a hundred activities that I've listed and not discarded.

So I've kept at each individual one till it's finished. And some of them I may have had on my list for six months but I wouldn't discard it because it was too difficult or, I am quite fair dinkum about using the techniques that we've been given.

John D. Hughes then spoke saying,

My pet name for Frank, and it's the highest praise I can ever pay out to another sentient being is I call him fearless. Now Frank is absolutely fearless in the sense he will conquer fear. Fear of anything. You are successful when I start to call you fearless. None of you I can call fearless, except Frank. Frank is absolutely fearless. So the highest quality you can develop here, now, is to become fearless, be without fear and Frank will explain to you what he has in his mind that is stronger than being afraid and dropping aside. Now explain, thank you Mr. Fearless, my friend...

Frank responded like this...I often do have fear arise, but even though it is difficult to handle, it is not anything that I would deliberately give up because of. I won't choose to give up because of it. I might be conquered by it, but I won't give up. It's like, it's like a battle where the front troops can be defeated, but the, sitting behind there somewhere is this, I won't give up.

So it's not like um, its not like an idea that can change much, I really can generate that without flaw. I think everybody's got their own strengths in practice so I am not saying that there's nothing else that will do, there's a lot of you that try extremely hard but it's like there's a, I use the word ruthlessness, there's just, there's got to be a real steel, I will not move from this point. I make my goals, I will not take one step back, even if I fail with the goals I will not give up. I will not go backwards even if I fail many times.

I mean we come and sit in meditations, for me it's been six years and probably the first three years it was just a continuous battle and all the meditation was accepting failure if you like, not being able to do it. But not giving up at the same time. And actually this meditation is the same, the one we are doing. It's to, to draw a line and say I'll sit on this until I see and you've got no evidence that you'll succeed. But you sit anyway, and if your depending on evidence then you haven't drawn the line, it's conditional, you just stick, stick at it. It's possible. It's like the moment the mind really becomes firm and sits and won't retreat, then it might get more dukkha and more dukkha and more dukkha but there's this firmness, it just looks you know to see. And that is capable of success, that method.

Like with Melva, another student at the teaching, there's many times I have seen her practising and one night she said that's it, I am just gunna stick. And normally she would go home, this was some time ago, at ten o'clock, 11 o'clock and this night whatever her discomfort was, however difficult, all of the excuses she produced this, I am not moving until I get it. And she got it. So that particular night she was successful.

So the ego minds will fight but you just endure. And if you can develop that you can achieve your goals, if apply the same method to your goals. If you had of applied it completely when they were taught many of the things that you still not even formulated as goals would have been achieved by now. There's a lot of wasted time by not taking the teachings to heart.

And many other teachings that are given to us we've wasted by not, not treasuring them and not using them fully. There's no need to collect all the techniques like hoarding them, they're not, they're useless like that. Goal setting's useless. Planning is of no value at all, time management, all these things we've been taught, unless they are put with absolute sincerity into action. Is that right Michael?

Yes he replied.

Why? Asked the Teacher.

Well, it's a necessary aspect of achieving them. If that's not included replied the student.

Minnie?

Yeah? She responded.

The Teacher then asked: Is it correct what I said, and why?

There's no point in even making goals if you're not going to act on them.

Right. So then, why don't you act on the instructions? If you can understand what I'm saying why can't you do it like that? So much easier.

Thank you Spike said Frank.

My pleasure, fearless. Thank you.

John Hughes continued...There are two things that are absolutely vital in the practice of the middle way. To be persistent, to persist, and to exercise restraint. Now, why they are two separate things is persistent means, to be consistent means, start something and don't stop. So the mind that has persistence is one mind, it won't stop. You set it to work and it keeps going and going and going. If it says, do this, do this, do this it'll keep going, thats persistence. Do this, do this, do this.

Persist means keep at it. Constraint means stop. So persistence is an all systems go mind and constraint is an all systems stop mind. They are two different minds. Now, if you have persistence, if you had a machine and you could only turn it on and you couldn't turn it off it would drive you nuts. If you had a machine and you couldn't turn it on it would drive you nuts. So the ability to switch on and off, you need two minds.

If your persistence mind is very small you will start something and then you'll over exercise constraint and you'll switch it off. So you've already got persistent minds and constraint minds. The point is some of you have got powerful persistent minds and some of you have got powerful constraint minds, but you must develop both minds. It's not a matter of; you've got to know when to start and when to stop. Two different minds.

It's not like a light switch which you can switch on and off and you're on the same circuit, it's not like that, they're two different types of understanding. For example, you might say "I will persist with, I'm going to change this attitude of mine and I will persist". The change might have come and you what forgot the target was. When I've changed the attitude switch off, I've got it perfect.

So that's the first thing you've got to understand, the Dhamma is like that. The Buddha has got, if you like, the perfection of persistence and the perfection of constraint. So, an example of the constraint of the Buddha is this; the Buddha, if he's asked something, say he is asked a question, he persists to get the full understanding of the question, which he might do verbally or mentally. Then he examines carefully the options, and with perfect wisdom constrains his choices, and then he constrains his reply, replies and then stops. Two different qualities.

By seeing them as two different qualities none of them are ego qualities. Dissociate persistence from the ego, otherwise that's ritual. Dissociate constraint from the ego otherwise it's sloth and torpor. Two different minds.

So that's the first thing, if you're setting up a target you must persist and you must constrain at the right time. You mustn't let the ego mind be the constraint on the system.

Now in fact, having said that I want to point out to you the ego mind, if it's let loose will constrain your persistence, and similarly if you're constraining something, you're refraining from it. You're constraining yourself on an action, say a precept, and then you get the green light from the ego then the constraint is gone.

The ego destroys constraint and the ability to persist. Now that's the first thing you must know, if you're planning something how long you should persist for and when you should stop. So if you get a great idea you wouldn't work on it three days, day and night nonstop because the result is you'd probably fall into bed exhausted and sleep for a week, and the net result is after a week's sleep you've probably forgotten what the idea was anyway.

Remember, it's the Middle Way. Now that's the first way. The second thing is having developed those two you have a trait, an innate characteristic resulting from repeated past kamma, one of you're traits is you like to hear Dhamma. That's the only explanation for the fact you're here. It's just a trait you've got.

You have no idea, some of you, that the Dhamma will bring you to Arahant fruit. I know you've heard it at a word level but you don't know that you will. So you've got to modify traits that you've got. So if you had a knowledge of modifiability and you've got, of a trait, and you've got a time limit on it, then you make choices about which one to modify within the economy of the time. Remember there's a time limit on everything.

Now, an example is given in here of how you go about training people within a time scale. Every thing has got to have a time frame. And this is the example, but you can, we'll talk about it and I'll elaborate it a bit in a minute. Suppose, for example, that "aggressiveness", which is another name for persistence, was discovered to be one of the primary traits important for success in selling.

If it is found that this is a readily modifiable trait, that is, one that can easily be developed by means of appropriate methods. It may not be particularly important to evaluate the trait of aggressiveness when selecting men for selling jobs. On the other hand it may be found that verbal fluency is also important for success in selling. But investigation may show that this is a trait which is little, if at all, subject to modification by training in later years.

Projects should be formulated for throwing all possible light on the relative modifiability of human traits and abilities. It should be noted that the observed consistency or apparent non modifiability of a trait does not prove actual non modifiability. Lack of knowledge concerning effective training methods or static environmental conditions may result in apparent non modifiability of traits at a given time in a specific culture.

However for purposes of prediction this distinction is unimportant until such time as discovery of better training methods or social change result in the possibility of modification of a particular trait.

What that means is there are, you are in a culture. It's an Australian culture which means it's a multicultural culture. You are in a post industrial society, you are not in a peasant agrarian society and you have got an enormous amount of cultural artifacts behind you. Some of which are of benefit to you and some of which are a great hindrance to you.

May you develop the minds of wholesome persistence and wholesome constraint.

We now conclude this first teaching of persistence and constraint and continue on next week's Buddhist Hour.

May you have refuge in Buddha Dhamma Sangha.

May you be well and happy.

May all beings be well and happy.

The MP3 file and text of the original teaching read on today's program will be available at www.edharma.org during February 2005. Today's radio script is available at www.bdcublessings.net.au and in the future we will be upload all our Buddhist Hour broadcasts to the website as MP3files.

This script was transcribed, prepared and edited by Julian Bamford, Frank Carter, Leanne Eames, Evelin Halls, Anita Hughes, Alec Sloman, Lainie Smallwood, Julie O'Donnell and Amber Svensson.

References:

John D. Hughes Collection Recorded Dhamma Teachings. Transcription Of Dhamma Teachings.

Recording Title: Knowing Selflessness Destroys Misknowledge
Tape 6, Side 2
Teacher: John D. Hughes
Date of recording: 27/6/88
Transcribed by: Frank Carter
Checked by: Lainie Smallwood
CD Reference: 26_06_88T6S2A
File Name: 26_06_88T6S2A_JDHtranscribe.rtf

5 Day Meditation Course
27 June 1988, 1.37pm

Recording Title: Persistence and restraint
Tape 7, Side 1
Teacher: John D. Hughes, Frank Carter
Date of recording: 27/6/88
Transcribed by: Alec Sloman, Frank Carter
Checked by: Lainie Smallwood
CD Reference: 27_06_88T7S1A
File Name: 27_06_88T7S1A_JDHtranscribe.rtf

5 Day Meditation Course
27 June 1988, 5.18 pm

Brown, Lesley (editor), "The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary", Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1993.

Words: 3,552


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